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2017 ATP Rankings & Schedule

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Post by tvradke Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:17 pm

Are these seedings basically locked in place now? Dimitrov making semis had no impact on his seeding? Also Zverev making the finals? Hopefully Roger avoids Dimitrov in R4. Not that I am worried, I reckon Dimitrov is the best grass court player in 13-16 pool and I would rather have that match-up for one of the other 3 top 4 seeds. Sock or Monfils will likely not even make it that far.

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Post by Rufus1 Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:09 am

^^^^

As far as seedings are concerned.  No results this week matter.  

If you are in the top 32 of the ATP rankings- or rather top 34 since Goffin and Pablo Carreño Busta are not playing - on the Monday ATP rankings then W will reseed according to grass court additional points.

For purposes of the draw -
think of 1 and 2 together
think of 3 and 4 together
think of 5-8 as a group
think of 9-12 as a group
think of 13-16 as a group
think of 17-24 as a group
think of 25-32 as a group

What # you are within the group does not matter.  Thus, if either Dimitrov's or Zverev's seeding changed at all, it didn't change enough to put either into a different group of importance.  See cromar's wonderful charts, in particular the green ones.  Dimitrov would have had to go ahead of Zverev, but Zverev got further.  Zverev had to win to give him 8th.  So the groups are set as shown above, even if the # within the group changes.

1 and 2 head the two halves
3 and 4 are their semis in each half - Hence Roger cannot play Nadal until the finals.  Roger will have EITHER Murray or Djokovic, NOT both, in his half.  Not a lot to pick, although Murray was injured enough not to play in an exho today.

5-8 are the quarters for any of 1-4.  So Roger could meet ONE of Wawrinka, Raonic, Cilic or Thiem in the quarters.  The others are distributed to the other quarters, 1 in each.  My hope would be for Thiem although considering round 4 matchups he may not make it that far - some tough grass court competitors in that 9-12 group one of which he would have to beat.

Round 4:  1-4 could meet 13-16 and 5-8 could meet #9-12.  Those round 4 matches between 5-8 and 9-12 could actually determine who 1-4 sees in the quarters.  Some of those round 4 matches have the potential to be highly competitive.

round 3:  1-8 vs 25-32 and 9-16 vs 17-24.  F. Lopez will be in the 17-24 group with grass points and WD.  Roger could face Karen or Mischa, or Juan Martin though!!

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Post by Lil_Jay Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:22 am

Thank you for this rufus
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Post by Cromar Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:08 am

This is what the list of the Wimbledon seeds should look like.  Just read that Wimbledon will announce the seeds tomorrow. So, this just a little heads-up...

Based on the concise explanations from Rufus, I color-coded the group that are to face each other for Round 3, 4 and QF, although not all players will progress through the draw as planned...
 



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Post by Cromar Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:48 am


Here is the 'Round-by-Round' Chart for Wimbledon 2017, so you may follow the progress of the top 20 players throughout the Championship.

We could have a new No 1 after Wimbledon. Actually, three players are in a position to claim that honor... we haven't seen that for a while! The two main contenders are Murray and Nadal. Who ever of the two reach the Final will take the top spot. Otherwise, Nadal will need to reach the Round of 16, at least, to have a chance and then hope for Murray to lose one round before him.

Djokovic is also in a position to become No 1 again if he wins the Championship, provided that both Murray and Nadal don't reach the SF.
Roger cannot take the top spot after Wimbledon, but if he wins, it will be only a matter of time!  Wink Gif  



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Post by Steerpike60 Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:21 pm

Thanks Cromar. I hope Murray holds onto #1 just because I don't want to see Nadal nor Djoker get it again. But even if Nadal does get it, I don't think he'll have it long. Plus he's never going to get anywhere near Roger's #1 records. Heck, he won't even catch Djoker.
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Post by Cromar Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:34 am

Sunny Cheering

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Post by tvradke Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:25 pm

Djokovic will be ranked 5 at Montreal. Stan will return to the top 4. I almost want Djokovic to be drawn in Roger's quarter. Would be a good opportunity to even the H2H.

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Post by tvradke Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:24 am

Just read that Djokovic is likely out of the US Open with a bone injury. Almost no chance he plays Montreal or Cincy then. Too bad.

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Post by Cromar Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:27 pm

Just before the Montreal tournament, both Djokovic and Wawrinka announced that they were ending their 2017 season due to injury. More information can be found in the General Tennis News thread.

This will obviously change the landscape of the rankings for the end of the year, as they will most likely both fall out of the top ten, not unlike what happen to Roger last year. As a matter of fact, Djokovic announced his season's end on the same day as Roger did a year before!



Djokovic video on Facebook announcing the end of his 2017 season on July 26:

https://www.facebook.com/djokovic.official/videos/1568263993226446/


Stan's tweet on Friday August 4th:


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Post by Cromar Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:37 am



Here is an update of my Ranking Charts showing the status of the ATP Rankings and RACE prior to the Rogers Cup in Montreal.
Both Djokovic and Wawrinka have recently announced the end of their 2017 season and this is reflected on the chart.

And the Race for No 1 is on...

Hard to make any pronostics, but here is what we know at this point:

  • Roger is guaranteed to stay No 3 (at least) until the US Open
  • Roger could move to No 2 before the US Open, depending on his and Nadal's results in Montreal and Cincy. It's unlikely to happen in Montreal, as Roger is 920 points behind Nadal. Roger would have to win the Rogers Cup and have Nadal take a very early exit (like lose his first match!).  
  • Nadal would become No 1 if he reached the SF in Montreal (Roger cannot pass Murray even if he wins Montreal).

As for the No 1, Roger "could" make it to the top after Cincy, but it would require an almost perfect performance from our Champ at both tournaments and a bit of cooperation from Murray, and Nadal especially.  

But the season ain't over yet, so let's not despair... it will happen!  Very Happy


2017 ATP Ranking Chart #3 (8 August)

- Roger N° 3


1/3: 2017 Ranking Chart #3 - Players 1-6





2/3: 2017 Ranking Chart #3 - Players 7-12  





3/3: 2017 Ranking Chart #3 - Players 13-18




And a graph to display more visually what those numbers mean... It includes the stats up to and including the US Open for the top 12 players, showing the Points to defend until then, the current RACE points, and the Minimum and Maximum points possible after the US Open.




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Post by Cromar Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:10 pm

Montreal 2017 Round-by-Round Chart

Here is the Round-by-round chart for the Rogers Cup. Unfortunately, it looks quite bare, due to the number of withdrawals and some early exits already.

Notable, is the early departure of the #3 seed, Dominique Thiem, who lost his opening match against Schwartzman on Tuesday. Also, Berdych who had to withdraw before his first match due to a rib injury.

As mentioned before, if Nadal reach the SF, he will pass Murray and become No 1. (Roger cannot pass Murray in Montreal).

Just in case you wonder, the points to defend from 2016 have already been deducted as Montreal was played earlier last year. However, some players will have points deducted (see "Drop" column), as the additional "Other tournament" added when Montreal was dropped will now be removed. The rule says that whenever there are less than eight compulsory Masters accounted for, players can count an additional 'Other tournament'.    


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Post by Steerpike60 Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:03 pm

Murray has pulled out of Cincy. Even if Rafa does not make the SF in Montreal and take over #1, I would think Murray will for sure lose his #1 after Cincy as I think he was defending runner-up points.
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Post by Cromar Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:13 pm

By not playing Cincy, Murray will lose his top ranking and Nadal will automatically become No 1 after Cincy (if it doesn't happen already this week in Montreal).

Roger would need to gain at least 606 points between Montreal and Cincy to become No 2 and have Murray slide to No 3, which is doable. Number wise, the top ranking could also be attainable for Roger after Cincy, but is less likely to happen.

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Post by MaxUS Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:07 am

Steerpike60 wrote:Murray has pulled out of Cincy.  Even if Rafa does not make the SF in Montreal and take over #1, I would think Murray will for sure lose his #1 after Cincy as I think he was defending runner-up points.
Cincy points won't drop off until 21Aug (after this year's results are known) so how Roger/Rafa do at both tournaments should determine who is #1 after Cincy. According to the chart (if I'm reading it correctly), Roger winning another Fedal Final would result with Roger at #3 (7545), Murray #2 (7750) and Nadal #1 (8065) going in to Cincy. The week after Cincy, Roger winning would get him to (8545) which would require that Nadal (defending 90 points) make the Final in order to stay #1 by a measly 30 points (8575)!

Otherwise, Roger needs a combined total of 600 (2 SF or 1 F) to overtake Murray for the #2 spot after Cincy.
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Post by Cromar Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:43 am

MaxUS wrote:
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Otherwise, Roger needs a combined total of 600 (2 SF or 1 F) to overtake Murray for the #2 spot after Cincy.

Actually Roger would need a total of 605 points to pass Murray (7150 -6545). So just one final won't do! Wink Gif

Murray has 7750 points at present, but will go down to 7150 after Cincy as he will lose the 600 points he was to defend.
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