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ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Rufus1 Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:04 pm
Thoughts?
ITF announces professional tennis restructure
http://www.itftennis.com/news/256730.aspx
The concept is to reduce the number of professional tennis players to about 750 men and 750 women by introducing a new entry level programme/bridge to the pro ranks - ITF points not ATP/WTA points in this stream. The goal is to make it easier/more affordable for the talented younger players to make the transition to the pro stream and allow them the opportunity to make a living in tennis. It should be emphasized that this "tour" is all about transition, making sure that players do not stay at the future level forever, thus denying up and coming players the ability to break in.
This is a massive change - I am interested to see how this will dovetail into the ATP where the players will need ranking points for entry into challengers for example. (Challengers are an ATP construct NOT ITF and are at a higher level than what will be the old futures level of the ITF)
ITF announces professional tennis restructure
http://www.itftennis.com/news/256730.aspx
The concept is to reduce the number of professional tennis players to about 750 men and 750 women by introducing a new entry level programme/bridge to the pro ranks - ITF points not ATP/WTA points in this stream. The goal is to make it easier/more affordable for the talented younger players to make the transition to the pro stream and allow them the opportunity to make a living in tennis. It should be emphasized that this "tour" is all about transition, making sure that players do not stay at the future level forever, thus denying up and coming players the ability to break in.
This is a massive change - I am interested to see how this will dovetail into the ATP where the players will need ranking points for entry into challengers for example. (Challengers are an ATP construct NOT ITF and are at a higher level than what will be the old futures level of the ITF)
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Márcia Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:00 pm
Rufus, someone, in an interview, asked Roger about it, he said he still did not know exactly all the issues. I'll read it calmly. Here in Brasil many youngsters began to ask how they can turn professional.
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Next Gens final to trial new match structure and "rules"
by Rufus1 Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:36 pm
Potential rules and match structure changes will be trialed at the Next Gen Finals to be held in Milan this year. (There are more than in the title)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2017/04/04/atp-could-trial-shorter-sets-no-service-shot-clock-raft-potential/
Title: Exclusive: ATP could trial shorter sets, no service lets and shot clock in raft of potential reforms
Author: Charlie Eccleshare
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2017/04/04/atp-could-trial-shorter-sets-no-service-shot-clock-raft-potential/
Title: Exclusive: ATP could trial shorter sets, no service lets and shot clock in raft of potential reforms
Author: Charlie Eccleshare
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by wcr Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:24 am
Rufus1 wrote:Potential rules and match structure changes will be trialed at the Next Gen Finals to be held in Milan this year. (There are more than in the title)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2017/04/04/atp-could-trial-shorter-sets-no-service-shot-clock-raft-potential/
Title: Exclusive: ATP could trial shorter sets, no service lets and shot clock in raft of potential reforms
Author: Charlie Eccleshare
This gives me a headache. I beg Roger to step in and stop the madness.
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Márcia Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:28 pm
^^^
Me too. I am really upset with all this 4 games sets, everything they are in fact trying in those exhibition tournaments already.
Speed up the courts and television will not interfere in tennis anymore!
Me too. I am really upset with all this 4 games sets, everything they are in fact trying in those exhibition tournaments already.
Speed up the courts and television will not interfere in tennis anymore!
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A little bit of history
by avasbar Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:20 pm
https://twitter.com/BBC/status/849889924077592576
Back in the day when men were real men ;D - no chairs for a 5-set match! And fetch your own drinks!
Dont recognise John Newcomb's opponent but methinks John thought that ball was out! :DD
and proper grass.
Back in the day when men were real men ;D - no chairs for a 5-set match! And fetch your own drinks!
Dont recognise John Newcomb's opponent but methinks John thought that ball was out! :DD
and proper grass.
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Steerpike60 Tue May 16, 2017 7:00 pm
I just saw an article where the ATP is trying out a bunch of rule changes for that new YEC for the 21-and-under crowd in Milan this November.
Here's the gist:
– Shorter Format: First to Four games sets (Tie-Break at 3-All), Best-of-Five sets, with No-Ad scoring
Shorter set format designed to increase number of pivotal moments in a match, while the best-of-five set format does not alter the number of games required to win a match (12) from the traditional scoring format. No-Ad scoring will be played (receiver’s choice). I hope this never comes to the regular ATP tour. 4 game sets? TB at 3-all? No way. And never at majors!
– Shorter Warm-Up
Matches will begin precisely 5 minutes from the second player walk-on, leading to a reduction in down time before the beginning of matches. I'm okay with this.
– Shot Clock
A shot clock will be used in between points to ensure strict regulation of the 25-second rule, as well as during set breaks, Medical Time-Outs, and the five-minute countdown from the player walk-on to the first point of the match. This is absolutely needed.
– No-Let Rule
The No-Let rule will apply to serves, bringing in an additional element of unpredictability at the start of points. This rule will also remove any ambiguity over let calling from umpires, ensuring the rule is consistent with normal ‘let’ occurrences during regular point exchanges. I'm fine with this too.
– Medical Time-Outs
A limit of 1 medical time out per player per match. Totally agree.
– Player Coaching
Players and coaches will be able to communicate at certain points in the match (to be determined), providing additional content and entertainment value for broadcast. Coaches will not be allowed on-court. I will never, ever want on court coaching on the ATP tour. I hate it for the women.
In addition, a ‘free movement’ policy will be applied to the crowd (except behind the baselines) throughout the tournament. The policy will enable fans to move freely in and out of the stadium during matches, providing a relaxed fan-friendly atmosphere and ensuring fans are not restricted entry into the stadium at any time. I'm fine with this too.
Here's the gist:
– Shorter Format: First to Four games sets (Tie-Break at 3-All), Best-of-Five sets, with No-Ad scoring
Shorter set format designed to increase number of pivotal moments in a match, while the best-of-five set format does not alter the number of games required to win a match (12) from the traditional scoring format. No-Ad scoring will be played (receiver’s choice). I hope this never comes to the regular ATP tour. 4 game sets? TB at 3-all? No way. And never at majors!
– Shorter Warm-Up
Matches will begin precisely 5 minutes from the second player walk-on, leading to a reduction in down time before the beginning of matches. I'm okay with this.
– Shot Clock
A shot clock will be used in between points to ensure strict regulation of the 25-second rule, as well as during set breaks, Medical Time-Outs, and the five-minute countdown from the player walk-on to the first point of the match. This is absolutely needed.
– No-Let Rule
The No-Let rule will apply to serves, bringing in an additional element of unpredictability at the start of points. This rule will also remove any ambiguity over let calling from umpires, ensuring the rule is consistent with normal ‘let’ occurrences during regular point exchanges. I'm fine with this too.
– Medical Time-Outs
A limit of 1 medical time out per player per match. Totally agree.
– Player Coaching
Players and coaches will be able to communicate at certain points in the match (to be determined), providing additional content and entertainment value for broadcast. Coaches will not be allowed on-court. I will never, ever want on court coaching on the ATP tour. I hate it for the women.
In addition, a ‘free movement’ policy will be applied to the crowd (except behind the baselines) throughout the tournament. The policy will enable fans to move freely in and out of the stadium during matches, providing a relaxed fan-friendly atmosphere and ensuring fans are not restricted entry into the stadium at any time. I'm fine with this too.
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Steerpike60 Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:18 pm
All about the proposed changes to the Davis Cup/Fed Cup finals. It is proposed to be a combined event in a neutral location: Geneva from 20118-2020 called "The World Cup of Tennis" finals:
http://www.itftennis.com/news/264149.aspx
http://www.itftennis.com/news/264149.aspx
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by RogerNo.1 Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:29 pm
Just saw this...
6 JULY 2017 • 10:30PM
In another dramatic move, the US Open will also allow coaching at any time during matches – except, obviously, when the ball is in play. While players are at the same end of the court as their coaches, they will be able to speak between points. When they are at the opposite end, they will have to settle for sign language.
Okay, obviously I agree with the shot clock because that can only benefit Roger and hurt players that abuse the time limit like tfa and Djoker. But the on court coaching is a joke. Definitely not. Who came up with this idea anyway? Maybe uncle toni.
Tennis set for radical change as US Open trials 'shot-clocks' to combat slow play
Simon Briggs, tennis correspondent , wimbledon6 JULY 2017 • 10:30PM
Tennis is set for a time-keeping revolution, Telegraph Sport has learned, as the US Open prepares to introduce a shot-clock at its qualifying event in August.
The move is intended to address concerns over slow play between points – but this is not its only purpose. Observers have long complained about warm-ups continuing beyond their allotted five minutes and medical time-outs beyond three minutes. With a visible clock on the court, such details will be more transparent and defined.
In another dramatic move, the US Open will also allow coaching at any time during matches – except, obviously, when the ball is in play. While players are at the same end of the court as their coaches, they will be able to speak between points. When they are at the opposite end, they will have to settle for sign language.
The moves are part of an adventurous package of reforms that were put forward during the French Open by Stacey Allaster, the former head of the Women’s Tennis Association who is now the head of professional tennis at the United States Tennis Association.
They do not have widespread support from the other majors at this stage, so the USTA have been given a waiver to test out these ideas as an experiment. They will operate at the US Open in everything but the five main draws, which means qualifying as well as juniors, wheelchair and legends matches.
Similar ideas were already due to be trialled at the Association of Tennis Professionals’ NextGen Finals in November, but that is a new and experimental project with no rankings points attached. Shot-clocks and coaching have never previously been used within the established structures of the professional game.
Confusingly, the theoretical time limits between points stand at 20 seconds at grand slams and 25 seconds at regular tour events. The US Open trial will opt for the latter, and in fact the whole of tennis has effectively agreed to move to 25 seconds from next year onwards, although that detail needs to be rubber-stamped at next week’s meeting of the Grand Slam Board.
At the moment, umpires use their discretion before applying “time violation” penalties, which begin with a warning, continue with a docked first serve, and then result in the loss of the point itself.
There will be a different sort of discretion under the new system, because the umpire chooses when to start the timer. If there is a 30-shot rally, leaving the crowd on their feet and both players on their knees, they have the option to take a little extra time before setting the clock in motion.
Some are concerned that the crowd in New York – which tends to be more unruly than at other major events – might join in by shouting “five, four, three …” as the clock reaches its later stages. Again, the umpire would have to try to control the noise, but this might become more difficult as the day wears on.
Player reaction will be fascinating. There are likely to be cases where a fan shouts out during the service action, or a ballboy misses his throw, and the players expect the umpire to reset the clock. Arguments could ensue if it continues to run.
The French player Adrian Mannarino put the case for a shot-clock yesterday at Wimbledon, where he was docked a first serve after receiving two time-violation warnings. “I took a time violation basically at the start of the match,” he said. “So I was scared at the start of each rally that I was going to be too long [and] I didn’t know if I was fast or slow. If they're strict about the time then we should have a clock.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2017/07/06/tennis-set-radical-change-us-open-trials-shot-clocks-combat/
_____________________________________________________________________________________________Okay, obviously I agree with the shot clock because that can only benefit Roger and hurt players that abuse the time limit like tfa and Djoker. But the on court coaching is a joke. Definitely not. Who came up with this idea anyway? Maybe uncle toni.
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Lucycanada Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:29 pm
Now Murray's team can yell right back at him.
I think players who depend on coaching have been getting it unofficially. Now we will have chaos. One coach will advise his player and the other one will counter it immediately. How they will do this while having a shot clock is a challenge, IMO.
I think players who depend on coaching have been getting it unofficially. Now we will have chaos. One coach will advise his player and the other one will counter it immediately. How they will do this while having a shot clock is a challenge, IMO.
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Steerpike60 Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:15 pm
I'm cool with a shot clock, although some of the issues they mention could become problems - like the umpires not being "uniform" on when to start the clock and also some fans "counting down" the shot clock could be disrupting.
I am absolutely against on-court coaching. I can't ever see that being allowed on the men's side. I hate it on the women's side. If you can't figure out how to beat your opponent by yourself, you deserve to lose.
I am absolutely against on-court coaching. I can't ever see that being allowed on the men's side. I hate it on the women's side. If you can't figure out how to beat your opponent by yourself, you deserve to lose.
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by RogerNo.1 Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:28 pm
and I'm pretty sure coaching for the women isn't allowed in majors. Who the heck thinks this is a good idea? Other than tfa.
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Steerpike60 Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:28 pm
I think you are right... it's not allowed for either tour at the majors. I just can't see this ever being implemented for men and hopefully never at the majors.
No doubt Rafa would love this although I don't know how many male top players would have the coach actually come down on the court. But I can see them absolutely using "signs" from the box. Even though I'm not a big Serena fan, I've always liked that she doesn't really do this. I don't think her coach has ever come on court. And Roger rarely looks at his box so he would never have Ljuby or Seve come on court.
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Rufus1 Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:13 pm
Since the DC thread which exists is for 2017, and this relates going forward, I am not sure where to put these articles. Please move elsewhere if there is somewhere more appropriate.
Firstly
Title: Best-of-3 doesn’t pass for Davis Cup
http://tennis.life/2017/08/04/best-3-doesnt-pass-davis-cup/
and secondly, because David Haggerty didn't get what he wanted
Title: ITF board makes itself emperor
http://tennis.life/2017/08/04/itf-board-makes-emperor/
The potential consequences of this decision makes for interesting/troubling reading.
The board has essentially given itself carte blanche to try anything they want on a trial basis, without the approval of the rank and file (and the next AGM will be in the USA, Haggerty's home country, where he WAS a longtime USTA executive. He wants changes and he is using his position to go after them)
Firstly
Title: Best-of-3 doesn’t pass for Davis Cup
http://tennis.life/2017/08/04/best-3-doesnt-pass-davis-cup/
and secondly, because David Haggerty didn't get what he wanted
Title: ITF board makes itself emperor
http://tennis.life/2017/08/04/itf-board-makes-emperor/
The potential consequences of this decision makes for interesting/troubling reading.
The board has essentially given itself carte blanche to try anything they want on a trial basis, without the approval of the rank and file (and the next AGM will be in the USA, Haggerty's home country, where he WAS a longtime USTA executive. He wants changes and he is using his position to go after them)
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Re: ITF/ATP New Rules and Structure
by Márcia Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:48 pm
Rufus, I'm very concerned by those news. Because they will also be able now, if they want, to change GS' rules. In name of "modernity", they will create fast-food tennis.
I was watching the doubles final at Washington. Why the hell this absurdity of "deciding point" even in a final?
I was watching the doubles final at Washington. Why the hell this absurdity of "deciding point" even in a final?
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